******************************************, Ubehebe Crater, Death Valley National Park. In such heady times, dreams of colonizing the continental shelf within a generation seemed like sober predictions. I really think they where underground detonations for. They have been I took care of John Fialla, who was best friends with Phil Schneider. Hawthorne Nevada is a U.S. ArmyDepot where ammunition is made, tested and stored. including the 'nuclear powered TBM' [NTBM] that melts solid rock After writing this article, I destroyed my files on him. Austin realized that even with mid-1960's technology, it would be possible to sink a wide shaft into the sea floor, seal and drain it, then use it as a staging area for further excavation. **********************************************. all are between 2.66 and 4.25 cubic miles in size. When oil companies began pumping oil out of the ground beneath Long Beach it was soon learned that the entire city BEGAN SINKING INTO THE OCEAN! Mr. Lear Nuclear submarines have seawater distillation, so bases are not needed for fresh water needs.[11][12]. Anybody doing pre-deployment training for Afghanistan should be coming to China Lake, he said. We have bunkers; we have multilevel tunnel complexes; we have vertical shafts just like youll find over there. military tunnels in the United States. Trona, CA, 35 45.5 N 1 7722.6 W -several miles northwest of Trona, directly under . Reports are: theres a large subterranean river which plunges, into an abyss. You certainly dont see any obvious Navy transports above ground like you see Air Force Transports. Well after Zorgon and me found that plasma nuclear reactor at Aristarchus on the moon Ill believe anything. Below is a chart on which I have drawn two lines representing these channels between Monterey Bay and Hawthorne. One built at Jianggezhuang Naval Base (36 6'20.76"N, 12035'2.39"E) near Qingdao provides a hiding place. The community of Hamlet in New Suffolk, New York claims to be the first submarine base in the United States. *********************************** agencies of the United States government. it produces no muck that must be disposed of by conveyors, trains, In 1975 the National Science Foundation commissioned another cost this way the nuclear subterrene slices through the rock like a Where is everybody? we asked the manager. Presently, there are 129 deep Though quite far down ( + 70 kilometers), if it were an insulating layer ( some postulate water) and if some technology had been able to reach it, a way to traverse great distances by stealth would be feasible. Many years ago a Navy friend of mine told me about a hidden Navy base in LAKE TAHOE I had completely forgotten about that. The facilitys area 147,000 Acres (Leased/Owned) and .6M Sq. produce and extend cracks in solid rock radially around the bore Part of the Nevada National Security site, Area 6 is used by government agencies to test unmanned aircraft with sensors. 2. San Pedro and San Diego also were not designated submarine bases. She then advised me that she should call the. They must have made the change in the past year or so. If a submarine where to make 33 knots the trip would take about five and a half hours. solidified, a continuous wall supporting liner, and detaching The U.S. Marine Corps actually already uses another underground bunker complex in Norway, near the city of Trondheim, to store vehicles and other equipment to support rapid deployments. By January 1911 the Navy had 20 submarines built: Seven A-class submarine, Three B-class submarine, five C-class submarine, three D-class submarine, and two E-class submarines. ***************************** If we take a set of dividers and place one end at Hawthorne Nevada and place the other end at the closest portion of the Pacific Ocean we would find that it is in Monterey Bay, just south of San Francisco. reply posted on 2-9-2007 @ 10:59 PM by MountainStar A short time later Steve Fossettturns up missing. I have no reason to doubt the man. Maybe those lost subs found passage to the inner earth and decided to stay there rather then come back or maybe they where captured who knows but its fun to think about it. Gotrox : Very interesting John. Well, they were using tunneling machines back in the mid-90s that could tunnel through a rock face at seven miles per day, that could cut through a rock face with high-energy impact lasers that could blow the nano-sized particles of rock so that there was no debris left, forming an obsidian-like core, and laying an inner core for unidirectional maglev trains that travel at Mach 2 to 2.8 underground between these very very powerful and organized cities. supplied by a compact nuclear reactor. A friend of mine finally tracked the man down. Antar you just blew my mind! On April 10, 1963 (according to official reports) the Thresher, under the command of Lt. b) 4.73 meters (15.5 ft.). Sierra Nevada Mountains, CA - very deep military base 34. 51, the Northrop facility in Antelope Valley, California (rumored As many a frustrated inventor will Just to the north of Hawthorne is Walker Lake. The base, located at Olavsvern in northern Norway, is built under a hill resting alongside the Norwegian Sea, with a large entrance capable of admitting ships and submarines. underground military base at Dulce, which is probably the deepest There are stories that California and Nevada sit on a shelf underneath which lies on an eastern portion of the Pacific Ocean. She refers to these caverns in the following words: Somewhere I got the idea that a big portion of Death Valley is located on a shelf of FALSE bedrock. Construction began on Hawthorne NAD in July 1928, and NAD received its first shipment of high explosives on October 19, 1930. results in a favorable benefit-to-cost ratio of 8.5. thermal melting a boundary kerf into the tunnel face and forming Is there a vast underground sea under California and Nevada with tributary rivers running in various directions? Gila Mountain Area, south of Interstate 8 and approx. 2. United States Navy submarine military bases, United States naval ship classes of World War II, Naval Submarine Medical Research Laboratory, USN Submarine Base, Ordnance Island, Bermuda, List of submarine classes of the United States Navy, Building the Navy's Bases in World War II, Volume II (Part III, Chapter 26), "California Naval History: The City of Los Angeles . During that time I have driven from Las Vegas to Reno many times and was always intrigued at the guard gate and sign just before entering the town of Hawthorne. NUWC stands for Naval Under Water Command on the map. I dont know. She was designed to operate deeper and more silently than any of her predecessors and was also endowed with significant advances in sonar equipment, in. demonstration cost of $100 million over an eight-year period The average depth of these bases is over a ' The club house is a favorite meeting place for local decision-makers. powered tunneling machines. expensive and cumbersome problem of debris elimination and at I am in the process of looking for this input; its been several years now and it may have all been thrown out Incidentally, the oil company seismic data had much data round the Fresno area if that helps any. One enterprising firm servicing the offshore renewables industry has designed a remote drilling rig for planting monopile anchors on the seafloor, while others are developing entire subsea electrical grids. The need for US submarine bases was created with the completion of the first submarine USSHolland launched in May 1897. Branton) submarine commander, who according to him, spent many years in the waters off California. ARE YOU READY TO LEARN ABOUT THE THINGS THAT MOVE ABOUT BELOW YOUR FEET? In 1998-1999, the facility was used to destroy the U.S. stockpile of. Nuclear subterrenes work by melting their way through the rock and We would probably have to have to separate channels, one for each direction of travel. Topic started on 1-9-2007 @ 01:29 AM byJOHN LEAR : http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1. on Navy Submarine Base Under the Nevada Desert ? subsequently carried out, when it was determined that it was more 1940's. Just pick up the phone and call the DOE or Los Alamos just be prepared to answer WHY you want to know, The documents are all here if your afraid the site will bite too bad its where I store all the data and can organize it at MY expense and not use other peoples bandwidth, More Cave and Tunnel Entrances of the America's. For three and half years the two submarines operated out of Mare Island Naval Shipyard in San Francisco Bay for training and testing. and Engineering Company of Rockville, Maryland produced a planning for an actual covert tunneling project that was Very interesting John. var sc_project=2343767; If the rumors are true, machines Then..the ONI removed the evidence of the crashed aircraft. 3,693,731 dated Sept. 26, 1972). And the lake itself certainly wouldnt be big enough or deep enough to train for Undersea Warfare. (a) a Other early Submarine Tenders, Auxiliary Submarine ship, known as "AS", were USS Alert (AS-4), USS Camden (AS-6) US Rainbow (AS-7) and USS Canopus (AS-9). Today it reads Naval Undersea Warfare Center. In 1917 F-class submarines were stationed at San Diego and San Diego's Point Loma. If they are, however, it may be that the glass-walled tunnels are In 1980, HWAAP was redesigned as a government-owned contractor-operated facility. idle speculation, and is the astonishingly similar patent two years favorable. or are being used, for subterranean tunneling is a question I cannot cost effective to use NSTMs than mechanical TBMs? foot) tunnel were found to be possible using the NSTM as By 1950 nearly 2,500 people still lived in government housing at nearby Babbitt, but even as the Korean War broke out, the boom was over. In 1913 the F-class submarines were stationed at San Pedro, California and Naval Base San Diego. See also [ edit] Wikimedia Commons has media related to Naval Museum Balaklava. Such a (vitreous) lining eliminates, in most cases, the A short time later Steve Fossettturns up missing. There would have to be a route from the Pacific Ocean to Hawthorne. And where's this money coming from? A certain type of earthquake would collapse all of it down to an enormous series of caverns that would open up into another, Melting Antarctica Ice Reveals UFO Underwater Base, According to our knowledge, the only nuclear submarines ever to disappear under mysterious circumstances were the U.S.S THRESHER and the U.S.S. some of its heat. John Lear was in the plane (photographing the location). Take ten-minute driving tour of this astonishing remnant from another age. In 1995 Day & Zimmermann/Basil Corporation, Radnor, Pennsylvania, was awarded a $5,487,390 modification to a cost plus award fee contract for the operation and maintenance of a government owned/contractor operated facility. Consider a physically secure data center, with free cooling, in an industrial park beneath the sea . Submarine bases are military bases that offer good fleet anchorage and are designed to refuel and resupply submarines. 8. The photo, first posted online by Radio Free Asia, appears to show a Chinese Type 093 Shang-class nuclear-powered fast-attack submarine at Yulin Naval Base on Hainan Island in the South China Sea . Dulce forms a lower point of a Triangle SSE from Uinta Basin and SE from Hawthorne. The A.A. Mathews Construction Tunneling costs for NSTMs are very NOTE : Unlikely. He is now living quietly in retirement and asked that no details pointing to him be revealed as he does not want publicity and government attention. Finally, the southern California location that was chosen for Other submarine tenders were built by conversions. Day & Zimmermann Hawthorne Corporation (DZHC) is the current operating contractor. So are any of you going to try and explain the fact that the area is approximately 3960 feet above sea level yet maintains its water level? He was on Coast to Coast AM on 16 February 2007 : Hollow Earth Expedition, Reply posted on 16-9-2007 @ 07:38 PM by ZORGON. (Hawthorne is about 5 hours drive from Las Vegas and about two and a half hours drive from Reno.). It was reported to have been lost IN OPEN SEA ELSEWHERE to keep the American people in total ignorance and to justify an enormous pay-off to an eccentric U.S. billionaire (who died in recent years) for providing the fictitious recovery effort. later only a wild coincidence? And it evokes a mystery one involving secret underground naval bases, high-tech submarines and Cold War nuclear brinkmanship. A picture. Bill ************************************Another Post from John Lear : I remember going to the Grand Canyon caverns last year and they said it ran some 20 mile to Grand Canyon the Colorado. tunneling machine forces its way forward. In 1928 directed the establishment of a Board of Officers to provide oversight of the storage conditions of explosives. In 1994, the facility received its current name of the Hawthorne Army Depot (HWAD). I would very much like more information on this topic. creating a huge underground installation. The pictures appear to show a Type 093 nuclear-powered attack submarine enter a tunnel to an underground entrance located on Yulin Naval Base. He told me that the techs that worked in the tubes were called tubemoles. The sub was eventually transformed into a museum at Rhode Island and eventually . However, some knowledgeable person could probably deduce his (or her) overall map from the voluminous seismographical data sent. the tunnel by the tunnel machine, where it will form a hard, glassy The Air Forces development of underground silos, subways and central commands produced real-world hardware and experience with construction techniques. It was the recollection of a former worker at the NTS that an awful lot of drilling was done in Area 19, but relatively few Nuclear blasts. ************************************ The kerf is the outside boundary of the tunnel wall that a boring (it is postulated by some that an ancient land-mass which some believe may have been connected to what is now California, broke off and sunk into the ocean during an ancient cataclysm Branton). Perhaps some of my readers have heard the same rumors that I have Also, because of recent international events which may have resulted in a solution to this problem. Ryan and Kerry Cassidy Then, after 15 years of . He also told me about the TUBES, the Navy underground transportation system. soil, actually vitrifying it as they go, and leaving a neat, solidly An estimated NSTM prototype the 1970s for nuclear subterrenes. Babbitt was named for the 2nd Commander of NAD Hawthorne, H.S. close to those for TBMs, if operating conditions for TBMs are But as history has proven time and again, even the weirdest fantasies have their real-life counterparts. to talk of massive underground installations in places like Area Most of the entrances are too small for submarine investigation; and many that are large enough lie in waters that are too deep. Submarine bases that had limited or no land facilities used submarine Tender at the advanced submarine bases. melted kerf and pass it to the rear of the machine for disposal by Maybe, for some reason, the Navy uses that underground ocean (actually its not an underground ocean its the same level as the rest of the Pacific, it is the land that is above water so to speak) to travel around. The base, which is located near St Marys in Camden County, Georgia, is the home port for the US Navy Atlantic Fleet's Trident nuclear-powered submarine fleet. Now lets also assume that there is traffic both to and from Monterey Bay and Hawthorne Nevada. Some of these responses appear to be knowledgeable sources. But lets assume that it might be true. According to our knowledge, the only nuclear submarines ever to disappear under mysterious circumstances were the U.S.S THRESHER and the U.S.S. 2 Cocaine Bear Isn't the Only Animal Getting High 3 Amazon Has So Many Clever. If nuclear subterrenes actually exist (and I do not know if they do) their 9. Security for the 3,000 bunkers at NAD was provided by the U.S. Marine Corps. least this amount is used in black programs, like those concerned In 1977, that number had been reduced to 117; security is contracted to a private company. Beginning in September 1930 and during World War II, 600 Marines were assigned to the facility. By applying well-understood principles employed for decades by the mining industry, Austin proposed that large bases could be constructed and operated anywhere suitable bedrock occurred in the ocean, at any depth. SCORPION. for the 3.05 meter (10 foot) tunnel using the NSTM. Secret Submarine Base in the Desert Area S4 3.84K subscribers Subscribe 1.3K views 3 years ago There is a secret submarine base hiding in plain sight out in the Nevada desert as you'll hear. compared to current methods. nuclear powered, 2,000 degree Fahrenheit (1,100 Celsius) earthworm, California. tunnels in the Southern California area in 1974. In 1915, the F-class submarines F-class submarines were stationed Naval Station Pearl Harbor, also not designated a submarine base. Located approx 125 miles north-northwest of Las Vegas and consists of the Groom Lake and the Papoose Lake Complexes. Williams explains that not all of the areas in question are actually resting or floating on the ocean, however there are allegedly many subterranean cavities below the western U.S., and they are not limited to California, and many of them consist of very large water-filled aqua-systems.